Golden Parachute
Igor Kuley: Many people believe you got lucky, ... that you came out of this whole Amkodor saga pretty well, that the holding was placed under state control while you kept part of the dealer network and the companies that supply Amkodor, including Saleo, PRODI, Elastomer ... (The Saleo holding comprises two enterprises producing hydraulic components installed on most Amkodor machines. STAA PRODI manufactures plastic cabin and exterior elements for them. ZAT Amkador-Elastamer (Amkodor-Elastomer CJSC) produces rubber products, including for Amkodor machinery. — Ed.)
Alexander Shackutin: I'm not involved in any of those. You're naming companies I have nothing to do with.
Igor Kuley: And since when have you had nothing to do with them?
Alexander Shackutin: I never was.
Rebuttal: This is not true; controlling stakes in all three firms are in the hands of Alexander Shackutin and his family: Amkodor-Elastomer — through TAA Spamash; STAA PRODI — through Amkodor-Elastomer and Amkodor-Spamash; Saleo LLC — Holding managing company, through TAA Navanep.
Igor Kuley: What I mean is, not you personally. I know it's not you personally, but through your ...
Alexander Shackutin: You mean by wire transfer or something?
Igor Kuley: Through your other firms. Through your other companies, you were involved.
Alexander Shackutin: Igor, these are questions where I don't even know what you're talking about. Where did you dig up this bogus information? I don't understand.
Igor Kuley: It's all in the documents. I'm calling you to verify it.
Alexander Shackutin: Who said what, I don't know — people say all sorts of things at the bazaar... . Igor, whoever says that is the biggest fool. Amkodor is one of the most successful companies in our country. A company that carried out a complete modernization of all its plants. A company that today produces a marketable product that meets global standards. And if you put in a little more brainpower and effort, it will produce products that are competitive in both quality and cost. It is one of the most successful enterprises. So whoever is saying whatever — you know, they can shove it.
Igor Kuley: I'm not disputing that it produces good, in-demand products. If there are customers, that means there's demand. But then how did it come to the point where the shares had to be handed over to the state?
Alexander Shackutin: Igor, I don't know anything about what you're saying, but I can just say one thing. You know what Mayakovsky said? If the stars are being lit, it means somebody needs them. You know that famous saying?
Igor Kuley: Well, in this particular case, who needs it? Because you answered with a quote, and I don't quite understand who needs it then.
Alexander Shackutin: Everything that happens, happens for the best.
Igor Kuley: And did things turn out better for you as a result of this whole story?
Alexander Shackutin: I'm always doing fine. I work for the president and I work for the country. So whatever I do, I was and remain someone who works for the future of our country. And I continue to work successfully, building new plants, creating new products in the interests of the state.
Igor Kuley: And what are these new plants? Can you tell me about them? I'm curious. I'd write about it.
Alexander Shackutin: Oh, no. I don't want rumors — otherwise someone will say something again.
Igor Kuley: Well, it would be interesting to know.
Alexander Shackutin: Call me at the end of the year and I'll tell you. Then you'll see... I'm not sitting on my hands; regardless of my age, I work for the benefit of the president and the Belarusian economy.
Igor Kuley: Is that heavy industry? Roughly the same profile as Amkodor?
Alexander Shackutin: Just so you understand: I don't understand commerce. I don't work for money. I work so that new products appear in Belarus... These are plants that manufacture products for our country. Import-replacing, export-oriented, knowledge-intensive. Where you need intellect. That's what interests me. Creating something new for the Republic of Belarus.
Igor Kuley: Are you building this enterprise with borrowed funds?
Alexander Shackutin: Well, if I had my own, it would be easier. So I have to use borrowed funds. If you have money, by all means, you're welcome — let's build something together.
"The Whole World Is in Turmoil. But Our Belarus Keeps Growing ..."
Igor Kuley: And still, those who follow the economic news in our country say that Alexander Shackutin landed very softly. Like cats — when they fall, they land gently on all fours. Although there is a history of Amkodor's loans and discontent from those who issued them, perhaps from the state. And people say Chyzh, Muraviev — they did time, they had everything taken away. Their story isn't as happy as Alexander Shackutin's. Do you believe your story ended with a happy ending, unlike the major businessmen I just named? Or not?
Editor's note: Yury Chyzh was one of the most influential business figures close to the Belarusian authorities in the 2000s. His key assets were the Triple group of companies, which dealt in oil, construction, logistics, retail, pharmaceuticals and the restaurant business. In 2016 he was detained and became the subject of criminal cases, after which — through court proceedings, debt claims and bankruptcies — he lost control of the Triple business empire and was stripped of his key assets.
Alexander Muraviev was a major Belarusian entrepreneur known as the "glass king" of Belarus. His key assets were the Motovelo plant and the Yelizovo glass factory. In 2015 he came under investigation on economic charges. As a result, Muraviev lost control of Motovelo and other assets and was sentenced to 11 years.
Alexander Shackutin: Just so you understand: Amkodor has built five new plants in our country over the past year and a half. If anyone else has built five plants, show them to me — point your finger. If someone thinks the debt burden has increased — when you're building a new enterprise, naturally the volume of credit goes up; it happens automatically. Who said what — you know, I don't even listen to rumors. And even your questions, I don't take them as serious questions. Who said what, where? ...These people should stop watching and start working. Everyone's watching, but nobody's working. You need to roll up your sleeves and work for the economy and for the good of the country. As for watching — there are other agencies for that. Too many watchers and free riders. Very few actually want to do something. You understand? So you need to change people's mindset so they think about work. Today they're immersed in gossip and rumors instead of immersing themselves in real, productive work... . What am I supposed to do — comment on rumors?
Igor Kuley: But you're also not giving a straight answer. I ask you about the 72-hour detention, and you say, "I haven't heard about it." You don't openly say, "No, that didn't happen, I wasn't detained" — you say you haven't heard about it.
Alexander Shackutin: I'm telling you how it actually is. I haven't heard of such a thing. How else can I answer that question?
Igor Kuley: "No, that didn't happen, I wasn't detained."
Alexander Shackutin: I'm a diplomat. I even served five years as a diplomat, as a consul, so my work is diplomatic, and accordingly, I still maintain a diplomatic status. Diplomacy above all.
Editor's note: Alexander Shackutin was honorary consul of Bangladesh in Belarus. In 2022, BIC, together with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists (ICIJ), included Shackutin on the Shadow Diplomats list — a roster of individuals who exploit the institution of honorary consul in various countries for personal enrichment, evading law enforcement and advancing political agendas. The Amkodor holding, which the businessman ran until 2025, had economic interests in Bangladesh. In 2016 the company fulfilled a $50 million supply contract with the country, and in 2020 it negotiated new deliveries worth $117 million. In 2021, new Amkodor contracts with Bangladesh came to light, but their value was not disclosed.
Igor Kuley: Thank you very much for the conversation, Alexander Vasilyevich. We'll be in touch toward the end of the year, as we agreed.
Alexander Shackutin: Call me. I'll be happy to chat in December... And believe me, there will be plenty to show — oh, so much. At a time when the global economy, as you know, is in a state of stagnation. The whole world is in turmoil. But our Belarus keeps growing and will keep growing. I will do everything I can to make sure our economy and our country keep developing. As long as I'm standing on this earth — and even when I'm crawling — I'll still be building the economy.